Let me provide a lengthy quote from T. F. Torrance on Jonathan Fraser of Brae (a Scottish theologian from the 17th century). This is what makes someone an “Evangelical Calvinist” (EC) versus an “Classical” one; remembering that there is something behind all this that is really at stake in speaking of someone as an EC — and that is our “Doctrine of God.” I digress, here is this quote; it will require follow up, which I will do at a later time (or in the comments, which if you read here, I would appreciate your feedback π — although I have provided a little commentary at the end of this quote). Here we go:
. . . Fraser realized that the extent of the atoning death of Christ had to be thought out in light of the interrelation between the incarnation and the atonement, and so of the saving assumption by Christ of our Adamic humanity which was comprehensive in its nature and range. As the one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus embraced all mankind, and therefore what Fraser called all ‘ mankind sinners’. As the first Adam brought death by sin upon all flesh, so Christ came as the second Adam in order by means of death to lay a foundation of reconciliation and life for all. He did not take on himself the nature of man as elected, but the actual human nature of mankind as the object of his atoning death and satisfaction, which applies to all and every member of the human race. Hence it may be said ‘ all men are fundamentally justified in him and by him.’ ‘ Christ obeyed, and died in the room of all, as the head and representative of fallen man.’ Fraser understood this incarnational assumption of our humanity in accordance with St. Paul’s teaching in Romans 8. 2f about Christ condemning sin in the flesh, i.e. all sin in all flesh, and in 2 Corinthians 18. 5f [sic] about Christ being made sin for us, that through his death and blood we might be reconciled to God, and be made the righteousness of God in him. Christ came into the world, then, as mediator not to condemn it but to save it.
Woven into this understanding of redemption through Christ as mediator and Fraser’s understanding of the all sufficiency of the death of Christ, was the place he gave to the reformed doctrine of the active and passive obedience of Christ, his obedient life and vicarious suffering. As with earlier reformed theologians of the 53rd chapter of Isaiah about the suffering servant played a basic role in Fraser’s thinking about the mediatorial life and activity of Jesus, prompting him to take into account ‘ the whole course of Christ’s obedience from his incarnation’ through which he united himself to sinners in an effectually saving way in order that all men might believe. Fraser admitted, however, as we have already noted, that the atoning death of Christ for sinners was ‘ not necessarily effectual’ for all, for there was no physical or necessary connection between them, although there may be one of faith. It is significant that Fraser would not divorce the all sufficiency of Christ’s death from the all sufficiency of his incarnate person and obedient life. This is very evident in the arguments he developed for ‘ a sufficient universal satisfaction for reprobates’.
Quite clearly, then, Fraser held that Christ died for all people, the unbelieving as well as the believing, the damned as well as the saved, the reprobate as well as the elected. How, then, did he think that the death of Christ, not least his atoning satisfaction for sin, bears upon those who reject Christ and bring damnation upon themselves? This was one of the basic issues where James Fraser sided with the teaching of John Calvin, rather than with that of those ‘ Protestant Divines’ who, he complained, had not followed the old road. The particular point we must take into account here is that according to St. Paul the knowledge of Christ is to some people a ‘savour of life unto life’, but to others it can be a ‘savour of death unto death’. In that light it may be said that while the preaching of the gospel of Christ crucified for all mankind is meant for their salvation, it can also have the unintended effect of blinding and damning people—it becomes a ‘ savour of death unto death’. That is how Fraser regarded what happened to the reprobates in becoming ‘ the vessels of
wrath’.
The Word of the Lord goeth not in vain, but shall certainly accomplish that whereunto it is sent. Isa.I.5. The Messengers thereof being a sweet savour unto God, in them that perish, and in them that are saved, 2 Cor. ii.15. So the blood of Christ is a sacrifice of a sweet smelling savour to the Lord both in them that perish, and in them that are saved.
While the Arminians used this as an argument for universal redemption, Fraser, like Calvin, interpreted it as indicating how the death of Christ proclaimed in the Gospel has a ‘ twofold efficacy’ in which it can act in one way upon the elect and in a different way upon the reprobate. That is to say, it is the Gospel with that acts in that way. Those who reject the blood of Christ thereby become objects of ‘ Gospel and Wrath and Vengeance’ and bring destruction and damnation upon themselves. It is the very condemnation of sin in the atoning satisfaction made by Christ for all mankind, elect and reprobate alike, that becomes the condemnation of the reprobate who turn away from it, and thereby render themselves inexcusable. ‘ Reprobates by the death of Christ are made more inexcusable … If the death of Christ affords clear ground for all to believe, then I think the death of Christ makes all unbelievers inexcusable.’ Fraser spoke of this judgment of the unbelieving and the reprobate as ‘ Gospel wrath’ or wrath of a gospel kind.
God’s intention, end and purpose he designed, was indeed to save the elect amongst them, but not to save the rest, but that they contemning and rejecting the offer salvation might be made fit objects to shew his just gospel-vengeance and wrath upon them, tho’ it be true that God intended the work should have such an end.
According to Fraser this ‘ Gospel-Wrath’ is a worse punishment than ‘ Law-Wrath’. This was rather harsher than what Fraser said elsewhere, where he was closer to Calvin. Thus in speaking of Christ as ‘ crucified and crucified for our sins’, he wrote ‘ Nothing can be expected from this Saviour but good will: It’s by accident Christ condemns, but his primary end is to give life to the world.’
Again:
I grant indeed Christ doth condemn many, but then consider that such as he condemns it is for flighting of his grace offered in the Gospel; his first office is to preach glad tidings, to hold out the golden scepter that the world might believe and be saved, but then the world misbelieves Christ (for a great part of them did) Christ secondarily condemns and per accidens.If by unbelief they neglect this great salvation, the death of Christ will be so far from saving of them that it shall be their greatest ditty. (Thomas F. Torrance, “Scottish Theology: From John Knox to John McLeod Campbell,” 198–201)
Notice how Fraser makes the distinction between creation and election. This allows him to speak about a universal atonement, and at the same time talk about election and reprobation as theological realities. In other words, the incarnation vis-Γ -vis the atonement becomes the touchstone framework for his articulation of his brand of covenant theology. So on one hand he can say that Christ genuinely died for all humanity, and on the other hand hold that this universal atonement encapsulates both the elect and reprobate. One having a positive response to the Gospel, and one having a negative response to the Gospel.
Something that I like about Fraser, and his approach, is that he provides an alternative, more evangelically motivated Calvinism; contra his rationalist counterparts from Westminster. In other words, whereas W
estminster Calvinists frame the whole atonement discussion with logico/causal language so that if Jesus dies, whomever he dies for “will be saved”—i.e. because if he doesn’t save who he dies for then he shed some of his blood in vain, and his sovereignty is called into question. Fraser’s approach reorientates the atonement from the causal rationalist language toward a more Christ centered evangelical framing; he accomplishes this by focusing on the supremacy of Christ over both life and death. For Fraser Jesus is the centrifugal force who alone (along with the Father and Holy Spirit) determines salvific reality for all people. Fraser does not seem to feel forced, as the rationalist Westminster Calvinists does, to explain why some respond positively and some negatively; he just recognizes that this is the reality. And this reality all orbits around Jesus Christ, and his ultimate determination shaped by his triune life.
There is a lot more that needs to be said, but I would say this piece has gone on long enough. If you have made it this far, then I’m sure this quote has prompted many questions; so I’ll see you in the comment meta.
That is truly Good News!Though this teaching will not resonate with all, it certainly resonates with the revelation of scripture. The bible teaches both that Christ died for all and that not all will enjoy the benefits of his death. I have always maintained this but had to take a beating for it – well, figuratively anyway. I couldn't back up my assertion except by scripture – which is not sufficient for all. "Fraser admitted, however, as we have already noted, that the atoning death of Christ for sinners was ' not necessarily effectual' for all, **for there was no physical or necessary connection between them**, although there *may* be one of faith."This is courageous, and both brilliant and simple. This teaching though will cause me to re-weave large section of my theology.Thanks for you hard work Bobby
Please help me if I am way off but if I understand this correctly, all unrepentant sinners (none elect) are condemned through their rejection (directly or indirectly) of Jesus Christ as payment for their sins. This is far worse then being condemned for breaking God's law, they rejected God's gift of eternal life-that's like a slap in the face kind of thing. Those who have never heard about Christ are condemned because they did not reach out to God for fogiveness because each man knows they are guilty of sin. Each man knows they have done wrong but do they want God's forgiveness? If not then they have rejected God's offer.
So, to take it further in my understanding, that unless God calls you (become elect) you will not respond to God's offer of forgiveness because you are dead spiritually-they are in darkness and cannot understand the things of God. Even though one is dead spiritually they are responsible for their thoughts and actions, their conscience bearing witness. The none elect naturally repel away from the things of God and will not come to Him on their own-it's just not in their nature. God has to call that person before that person can respond. But in the end, they are guilty of breaking God's law and will receive condemnation.Which comes to this, if God provided the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for all men just as in Adam all men were condemned, then one's rejection of forgiveness ratifies or sets in stone thier condemnation.
Will,Unfortunately scripture has taken second seat to some "theologians;" this is unfortunate, indeed. I'm glad this is not the case with you!And I would say you are equally courageous for being able to affirm what Torrance and Fraser are talking about here.Mehouston,I think you are tracking for the most part. But you're still thinking in the "deterministic" terms that typical Calvinism does. God has truly "called" everyone, "all of creation," now it's a matter of response. In other words, we're not trying to necessarily explain the cause of someone's response (except by attributing it all to the Holy Spirit's creative work) . . . i.e. we're not trying to explain it anymore than we are able to explain the "cause" of the 'Fall'.I would want to qualify this further by speaking of Christ as both elect and reprobate — see the many posts I have below this one on election.I know I have more to explain, thanks for your questions . . . I'll be back later to try and get at this more. In the mean time anything you want clarified further per my response here, let me know.
Oh, and Mehouston, thanks for visiting!
I admit that I am currently a "Clasic Calvinist" but determined to live by sola scriptoria, therefore I am at this blog to examine/refine where I am at now and where I need to go to live according to God's truth and not man's logic and ideology.So am I correct that according to the Evangelical Calvinist position, the atonement is universal but redemption for all is not. That how one responds to the Gospel basically separates people int two groups., the elect and the damned. That God has predetermined who is elect and who is reprobate. That those who rejected Christ fatalistically determined their eternal future and have no excuse at the coming judgment. Anyway I have much to learn and only recently learned that there is more to being a Calvinist then just being a 5 point Calvinist. Thanks for the opportunity to interact on this blog.
Mehuston,I am so glad you found my blog, I've created it just for people like you . . . so your being here is a real encouragement. I have another post that might clarify what I'm getting at, and might answer your questions more clearly.And Dr. Myk Habets, if you're reading this, and feel like you could clarify on Mehouston's questions, I would love to hear from you as well.Mehouston, let me post that other post I have on this.
Mehouston,I've misplaced that article I was going to post, I guess that means I'll have write something fresh. I'm still intending on engaging Dr Myk Habets excellent article on all of this.
Hey BobbyThis might sound like backpedaling but I would make my affirmation of TFT and Fraser a provisional one. As you know there is a lot of work to do still. But I must say, I am encouraged to hear/read someone teaching and affirming these two truths that are both clearly taught in scripture – the Reality Book. Since universal atonement (and I guess that is what you have to call it if Jesus died in your place) and the saving of the elect are both taught, we surely err when we "systematically" leave out one teaching or the other.Talk about courage, for Fraser to follow his conscience (and the leading of scripture) instead of the crowd could (and maybe did) cost him a lot.I need to spend some more time reading your posts on election and see how all these doctrines are related.Thanks for you hard work,Will
Will,Yeah, I understand; I don't want to throw my lot in with anyONE theologian, either. Even though it seems if I've done so with TFT; I haven't. There are many voices in the church, good voices, but all are provisional ones; and I think they would all agree with this, they aren't "scripture."Yeah, Fraser was later pronounced a heretic, by the Orthodox (Classic Calvinists) in Scotland. But again, this only takes us full circle. The "Orthodox" are orthodox, only insofar as the "Roman Catholics" are; in an ad hoc self-proclaimed kind of way. This is the irony to me of CC's, they have accepted not only the soteriological assumptions of Roman Catholicism (through scholasticism); but also their ecclesiology, which shows how all these things are so interrelated.Sola Scriptura