In the past I often used to write about the relationship between works and salvation; usually the context had to do with the whole Arminian and/or [neo] Puritan context. Well today we visited a church (not the Presbyterian one) that we once were “members” of for at least a couple of years. This church has undergone quite a bit of change over the years, in fact they have installed a new younger pastor, who has now (or is) transitioned into the lead pastor role
taking over for the founding pastor of 38 years (who is actually still present at the church in a new and behind the scenes role). The sermon was taken from Revelation 3:1-6 which says:
“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits[b] of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5 The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. 6 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
It becomes quickly apparent how the issue of works and salvation might be front in center in covering the correspondence provided by this text. The way the pastor chose to deal with vss. 5 and 6 was to engage it through emphasizing the fact that we have security in Christ; but only IF we do certain things. It is not enough, the pastor exhorted, to simply believe in Christ, but we also must have good works (whatever those might be) alongside our profession of faith, or we are evidencing spiritual death. So if we want to be secure, essentially, we must not only have belief and profession, we also must have certain concordant actions, or we have a dead faith (he cf. Jms 2.17 here).
Admittedly, this is a kind of tenuous thing in scripture. There is no doubt that doing good works is an important aspect of what it means to be a Christian, but our security ‘in Christ’ cannot be contingent upon what we do, if so, then all we have admitted is that we ultimately and theo-logically believe that salvation is a result of my faithfulness instead of the faithfulness of Christ for me (for us). This issue never really gets all that easy to nuance, especially from the pulpit, but it does indeed require nuance. For example, the psychological impact today’s sermon had on me was to cause me to look to myself prior to looking to Christ; when I know the intention of the pastor was to cause us to look to Christ first. But in my estimation, the way he handled this text, and its underlying theological informers, failed.
Karl Barth offers a better way to consider the kind of theological anthropology that would have been good to consider today by the pastor; Barth writes:
[T]he answer is that we ourselves are directly summoned, that we are lifted up, that we are awakened to our own truest being as life and act, that we are set in motion by the fact that in that one man God has made Himself our peacemaker and the giver and gift of our salvation. By it we are made free for Him. By it we are put in the place which comes to us where our salvation (really ours) can come to us from Him (really from Him). This actualisation of His redemptive will by Himself opens up to us the one true possibility of our own being. Indeed, what remains to us of life and activity in the face of this actualisation of His redemptive will by Himself can only be one thing. This one thing does not mean the extinguishing of our humanity, but its establishment. It is not a small thing, but the greatest of all. It is not for us a passive presence as spectators, but our true and highest activation—the magnifying of His grace which has its highest and most profound greatness in the fact that God has made Himself man with us, to make our cause His own, and as His own to save it from disaster and to carry it through to success. The genuine being of man as life and activity, the “We with God,” is to affirm this, to admit that God is right, to be thankful for it, to accept the promise and the command which it contains, to exist as the community, and responsibly in the community, of those who know that this is all that remains to us, but that it does remain to us and that for all men everything depends upon its coming to pass. And it is this “We with God” that is meant by the Christian message in its central “God with us,” when it proclaims that God Himself has taken our place, that He Himself has made peace between Himself and us, that by Himself he has accomplished our salvation, I.e., our participation in His being. [Karl Barth CD IV/I, p. 12]
And Thomas Torrance follows in Barth’s wake when he writes:
[. . .] But this economic condescension has its counterpart in a movement ofprokope. The fathers have in mind here the Lukan account of the obedience and development of the child Jesus who ‘cut his way forward’ (prokopte) as he grew in wisdom and favour with God and with man (Luke 2.52). In other words Jesus’ growth in wisdom was regarded as opening up a way for man to rise to true knowledge of the Father. Jesus Christ is not only the Truth who has accommodated himself to us in order to reveal himself, not only the Word become flesh, but he is also Man hearing and obeying that Word, apprehending that Truth throughout his life on earth, so that he provides for us in his own obedient sonship within our human nature the Way whereby we are carried up to knowledge of God the Father. ‘We understand by Way that prokope to perfection which is made stage by stage, and in regular order, through the works of righteousness and the illumination of knowledge, ever longing after what is before, and reaching forth unto those things which remain, until we shall have reached the blessed end, the knowledge of God, which the Lord through himself bestows on them that have trusted in him. For our Lord is an essentially good Way, where erring and straying are unknown, to that which is essentially good, to the Father. For no one, he says, comes to the Father but through me. Such is our way up to God through the Son’ (De Spiritu Sancto I8.I8). [T. F. Torrance, Theology in Reconstruction,(Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1966), 38-9]
What both Barth and Torrance would have provided this pastor today is a theological grounding for thinking about humanity and humanity’s relationship to God. Instead of starting with my responsibility, and/or making salvation and my security in salvation contingent upon my choice and act for God, what both Barth and Torrance do is make salvation and security contingent upon God’s choice and act for me (for us) in his own grace shaped life actualised in his dearly beloved Son. Once this ground is laid, solidified, and established (I Cor. 3.11), then discussing Revelation 3 and other such passages take on a clarity wherein the listener or reader does not think in terms of conditional salvation on their part, but through the lens and unconditional nature of salvation in the finished work of salvation in Jesus Christ for us.
Do we have a responsibility to act and repent? Indeed. But my salvation is not contingent upon the ground I clear prior to realizing this salvation (like a kind of Puritan prepatory faith–which is what today’s sermon really sounded like to me, albeit in evangelical and passive-aggressive kind of tone), it is contingent upon the ground and relationship that has always already been the reality before the Father and the Son by the Holy Spirit for me (for us). This is an important nuance that needs to be appreciated and thought through before entering the pulpit and exhorting parishioners to take this kind of conditional prepatory work upon themselves. It is the humanity of Christ for us that serves as the foundation of our salvation and humanity; he has penetrated through the depths of our dead selves in a way that he only can. And his breaking in on our humanity is something that is constantly realized for us, in and through his humanity for us.
The theological-exegetical consideration in this discussion revolves around the relationship between the objective ground and the subjective ground of salvation. As we can see this touches upon issues having to do with theological-anthropology as well as soteriology and harmartiology (sin). The question becomes how we understand our role to God’s role in salvation. If we see humanity grounded, first, in the humanity of Christ for us; then we won’t try to conceive of this relationship that makes salvation contingent upon what “I” do in relation to appropriating salvation for me. Instead, we will understand that Christ’s humanity (which is subjectivity, objectified) becomes the basis by which we think about the contingency of salvation. If it contingent upon his humanity for us, then “no worries!” If salvation and security in that salvation becomes contingent upon my humanity and my act, then we have every reason in the world to worry, every day, of every minute of everyday.
Barth and Torrance well understood this issue, and it would serve this pastor we listened to today, to re-consider the ground from which he communicated this text today.
PS. This also illustrated for me today the import of theological exegesis. It does not simply work to pretend that we can affirm the logic of the Trinity and Incarnation (hypostatic union)–which almost every North American Evangelical does–and then in the next moment not allow these basic realities to inform and impinge upon our occasional exegesis of various texts (like Revelation 3). It is high time that Christian pastors really start to become more rigorous in their exegesis of the text. And it is high time that Evangelical pastors understand how important it is to be consistent with the catholic faith they say they affirm. It is time for there to be more consistency, and less dissonance.
Bobby,
As the pastor who you are referencing, I have no problem with critiques. But at least put the points in order.
I made the case of James 2:17 in reference to my second point, “Don’t be dead” from 1c.
On vs 5-6, under the 5th point “Let Jesus be Lord” I made the case that Jesus offers forgiveness (white garments), security (continued presence in the book of life) and advocacy (confession before the Father and angels). In that section, I did not point to what we do, but what Jesus did and is doing.
So I would rather a critique on what I actually said and referenced, without it all jumbled up. But it makes a good blog post either way.
Blessings to you and yours.
Glad your visit at Crossroads provided blogging material 😉
PD,
Well, I am glad you found the post. I am only reiterating here, how it came across from the pulpit. And I was talking to my mom (who was also visiting with us), and prior to me commenting in this way to her, she said the same thing to me in regard to what you communicated. It sounded as if you conflated things a way that the impression I have voiced here was what you intended there (from the pulpit).
I actually wanted to email with you instead (which is why I didn’t mention your name or name of the church in the post here), and not have our first correspondence be shrouded in the abyss of blogginess–which unfortunately it now is.
And yes, you did point to what Jesus does as our advocate, but if you were to go back and listen to the recording of your second service sermon, I think you might understand why I was impressed the way I was (as was my mom).
I don’t consider this simply a moment for good blogging material by the way; I really am not that disingenuous about all of this type of stuff, PD.
But didn’t you communicate that our security and where we spend eternity is contingent upon our repentance and act toward Christ?
Anyway, dangit, I really didn’t want or even expect that you would read this prior to us (if we did at all) correspond via email first. I hope this is not going to shut down any future correspondence, PD.
Bobby, I was wondering how you might develop a sermon from Rev. 3 that was informed by theological insights brought forth by Barth and Torrance? How might it be different from the sermon you heard, especially in the areas of concern you mentioned? I believe it is this translation of theological insight into exegetical or homiletical communication that presents the biggest challenge to bridging the gap between theology proper and the ministry of pastors and the life of congregants.
The contrast that Jesus makes between those who are alive and those who are dead, but appear alive, is very sharp and disconcerting. It is these kinds of passages that I believe present am important and challenging opportunity to wrestle with both Barthian theology and the exegetical demands of the words of Jesus.
If you have the time it would be helpful to see an attempt at that.
Bobby,
I normally make a point to not correspond with bloggers 🙂
I don’t spend much time on FB except for posting. But when I saw your post, I didn’t know that I knew you (and now I know that I don’t) and saw your posts re: your experience at Crossroads. Then I saw the post and I read it.
I think you need to remember this. Every sermon involves not only the communicator and the subject but the audience. Everyone hears from their point of view (thus post modernity’s honest critique of modernism – modernism assumed an impartial observer and that is impossible) I think if you asked any of the 1400 people there 2nd service, they heard different things in the message.
I can’t be certain but from reading your FB posts, it seemed that you ascribed much of what was said to the worst possible motivations and reasoning.
You wrote –
I went to a church today that reignited my fire (and only because it illustrated the kind of stuff I am bemoaning below) … we still need to be prophetic towards each other as God’s people; ideas, concepts, and words matter horrifically. It is not enough to try and gloss over this by suggesting that being active for the least of these (the poor and destitute) can take the place of actually thinking about what this means (we need to have both!).
To me, that statement simply saddens me. We are simply celebrating God using us, very ordinary and broken people (especially our children), in extraordinary ways. It’s pure and undefiled religion. It’s not a gloss over. We are not ashamed of us being an active community where we like to live out a faith that works. All throughout the Bible we are encouraged to tend to those on the margins, we did that. We are blessed to have the opportunity and grateful to part of God’s kingdom. I was surprised to see it characterized the way you did. But that is between you and God. Not really between you and I.
I do believe security is contingent upon our repentance and reception of the finished work of Jesus as salvation (one time). We repent in response to the preemptive finished work of Jesus. Without a response to God’s grace (however it may happen), the power of the finished work of Jesus is not applied.
I do hope you find all that you are looking for in life in Christ. Thanks for coming and visiting Crossroads today. Good luck with your studies and I pray that God will use you mightily for His glory and the blessing of every living soul.
I know, us bloggers are the scum of the earth. 😉
No, we don’t know each other (we attended there when Ritchie was still the senior pastor).
Yes, I understand that we all hear different things, but I am a critical realist (V. a normative relativist etc), and do think that hopefully what we say we intend, and thus has the meaning we are aiming for and have control over (usus loquendi)—your point of PoMo is not lost on me, I largely can appreciate Kant’s critique, to a point. But PoMos are really just realized Modernists, that’s all. But I digress.
PD, I wrote what I wrote about my experience at your church today in all honesty. I want you to know that I surely believe that there are definitely broken and needy people who the Lord is ministering to mightily at crossroads; that’s not what I was disturbed by, PD. What I was disturbed by, since I seem to have your ear at the moment was simply how impersonal the whole experience felt, Worship (music) was loud, and various other things of that kind (all in all, PD, I really liked you, you obviously love the Lord and are very genuine in what you were communicating).
On the advise of my wife, I am going to shut-up now, she has more wisdom than I :-).
Blessings, PD.
PS I might email you, and hopefully it’ll make it through to you. There are some other things I would like to get off my chest with you that I shouldn’t in this space. And these other things barely have anything to do with you, but do have to do with crossroads (prior to your coming)–which I would like to get your insight on now that you are in the position that you are in there.
Jon,
Really the way I would handle this is how I just singled in the post. There needs to be proper theological ground clearing and clarification; there clearly is going to have to be some dialectical ambiguity left over. But I will write a post applying my kind of EC approach to Revelation 3.
Very much looking forward to that.
But you know what, PD, I can appreciate that people can get ministered to and have real encounter with the Jesus of scriptures in all kinds of venues and styles; the way it is done at Crossroads–as was reiterated for us today–is just not for us. Obviously it is the way for many, and so I don’t want to leave this with any animus between us brother. I like you, you have cool hair ;-), and you are doing the business of Jesus in a way that ultimately will magnify him (even if I do probably disagree with you on some fundamental theology–if in fact I do).
So shalom PD (what is PD code for?), and grace,
Bobby
Alright, Jon. I guess I have my pulpit then too ;-). I’d rather have a real one, but apparently the virtual will have to do :-).