Myk Habets just alerted me to some audio of Thomas Torrance, and Torrance responding to Donald MacLeod’s critique of Torrance’s book Scottish Theology: From John Knox to John McLeod Campbell. It is this book from Torrance that inspired the book that Myk and I co-wrote/edited, and it is from Torrance in this book that Myk and I got the nomenclature of Evangelical Calvinist. There are some who seem to think that Thomas Torrance and his Scottish Theology merely modified Westminster Calvinism, and thus what Torrance has articulated and developed is not all that radicalโof course the concept ‘radical’ is quite relative. Next to Barth, what Torrance has thought and written might not be quite as radical; but next to Westminster Calvinism what Torrance has provided is quite radical and distinct and different. Anyway, here is the link, below to the page where Torrance’s audio is located; his audio is found at 198, 199, 200. 198 is actually Donald MacLeod critiquing Torrance’s material in his book Scottish Theology.
Here is a quote from Torrance and his book Scottish Theology; this quote illustrates and sets the basic trajectory of the rest of Torrance’s book:
In Chapter One on John Knox and the Scottish Reformation, I have offered a general account of the deep doctrinal change that took place, but in the succeeding chapters I have tried to focus on the main issues that arose as a result of the adherence of the Church of Scotland to the Westminster Confession of Faith. Following upon the teaching of the great Reformers there developed what is known as โfederal theologyโ, in which the place John Calvin gave to the biblical conception of the covenant was radically altered through being schematised to a framework of law and grace governed by a severely contractual notion of covenant, with a stress upon a primitive โcovenant of worksโ, resulting in a change in the Reformed understanding of โcovenant of graceโ. This was what Protestant scholastics called โa two-wingedโ, and not โa one-wingedโ covenant, which my brother James has called a bilateral and a unilateral conception of the Covenant. The former carries with it legal stipulations which have to be fulfilled in order for it to take effect, while the latter derives from the infinite love of God, and is freely proclaimed to all mankind in the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the imposition of a rigidly logicalised federal system of thought upon Reformed theology that gave rise to many of the problems which have afflicted Scottish theology, and thereby made central doctrines of predestination, the limited or unlimited range of the atoning death of Christ, the problem of assurance, and the nature of what was called โthe Gospel-offerโ to sinners. This meant that relatively little attention after the middle of the seventeenth century was given to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and to a trinitarian understanding of redemption and worship. Basic to this change was the conception of the nature and character of God. It is in relation to that issue that one must understand the divisions which have kept troubling the Kirk [church] after its hard-line commitment to the so-called โorthodox Calvinismโ of the Westminster Standards, and the damaging effect that had upon the understanding of the World of God and the message of the Gospel. . . . (Thomas F. Torrance, โScottish Theology,โ x-xi)
It is this, as you will hear (if you listen to the audio) that Torrance is continuing to reiterate in contrast to Donald McLeod’s critique.
Thank you Bobby. I remember listening to this a while ago. I actually thought that McLeod presented quite strongly and Torrance not as strongly as I imagined he might. I liked the bit how they arrived and left together in the same car!
Mike,
I haven’t listened to the McLeod presentation yet … I’ll have to do that soon! TFT seems pretty aged in the audio, so maybe this has something to do with the force with which he presents himself.
Torrance was indeed pretty aged: the book appeared in 1996. That means he was 83 years old then. It’s nice to hear him talk though.
You might be interested in this review by Donald McLeod of Torrance’s book:
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/2000-1_057.pdf
It’s fairly critical, but not without sympathy. What McLeod says, sounds as a variation on a common theme in the criticisms of TFT: he offers sound theological insights, but his grip on historical matters is wanting.
AT,
Thanks for the link. I dont disagree with Donald in regard to TFT’s usage of history at points; the most persuasive of Torrance’s critique of Federal theology is of Dogmatic import non-contingent upon the history per se. That said, I dont think Torrance’s reading of Athanasius suffers from the same hagiography as does his readings of some of the Scots “might”.
I was not there but apparently McLeod left a more confident impression. It was quite a contrast to listening to the likes of Torrance’s Ground and Grammar lectures, which ascend the heights.
Mike, I agree … TFT’s G&G lectures were great!
Yes, TFT is old, he admits having ‘memory problems’. But, what he is doing here surely is interesting and stimulating. It shows in quite short time some of the basic roots of his theology: Athanasius (to whom he confesses owing most of his theology), Calvin, Barth and the influence of modern scientific thought.
Splendid quote: “I’m a missionary”!
So, thanks again!
Arjen
Arjen,
I agree, what you liked about TFT’s audio is what I liked! It reaffirmed what I had heard from others; the impact that Athanasius, Calvin, and Barth had on his own theological formation. That was sweet to hear. And the “I’m a missionary” quote is simply awesome … I love this!