Who’s In Heaven?

Guest post from Dr. Myk Habets

Who’s in Heaven?

Dr Myk Habets

The Baptist 127 no.6 (July 2011): 7, 13.

 

From Vaudeville to Theology

Throughout the 1940s and 1950s the most poplar vaudeville stars were the comedy duo Abbott and Costello. Their iconic comedy routine “Who’s on First?” made them household names. In the routine they manage to exemplify something most comedy acts can’t, humour and wit. The routine revolves around Abbott trying to tell Costello the names of the St Louis Wolves baseball team. Just for the record: Who’s on first base, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third, Why’s in the left field, Because plays centre, Tomorrow is the pitcher, Today the catcher, and I Don’t Care is the shortstop. You can easily see how you can get tied up in knots trying to work out who plays where.[1] The routine ends with Costello throwing down his baseball bat in utter frustration at Abbotts seeming incomprehensibility. Fantastic!

What does Abbott and Costello have to do with theology? Like their comedy routine, a lot of theology can also sound baffling and incoherent and result in people throwing their hands up in the air in utter frustration. However, unlike a comedy routine, good theology is essential for human flourishing and godly worship. If we were to ask the question: Who’s in heaven? What would your answer be? I am not asking about the population of heaven generally, which includes the angels and the communion of saints, but the more specific question about the triune God. We know God is in heaven; but specifically and in trinitarian terms, who’s in heaven?[2]

We can all affirm without reservation that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are in heaven, but what of the eternal Son (or Logos/Word as John calls him in John 1) and Jesus Christ of Nazareth? Who’s in heaven? We have several options open to us.

Option 1: Father, Son, and Spirit are in heaven.

At first blush this appears to be correct and corresponds to what many of us may think when we pray to God, sing to God, and think of God. But, it is incorrect as judged by Scripture and the tradition. What is missing in this conception is Jesus Christ! In effect this view eliminates the existence of Jesus altogether and negates the Incarnation. Presumably those who hold to this position believe that when Jesus ascended to the Father as we read about in Lk 24.50-53 and Acts 1.9-11, he left his humanity behind and went back to his original state.

The consequences of holding to such a position are enormous – it means that Jesus ceases to be our High Priest, ceases to mediate the present of God to us and our presence to God, and as such, the bond between God and humanity ceases to exist. With no God-man in heaven we are left to ourselves without temple, without sacrifice, without any way to appease for our sins and enter into the acceptable presence of God. We are, in short, worse off than we were before Christ came. This is clearly not an acceptable theological position and issues in some of the worst forms of ministry and mission imaginable – Christianity without a Christ!

Option 2: Father, Jesus Christ, and Spirit are in heaven.

Option two also appears to be correct. This view does acknowledge the ascension of Jesus Christ and so it continues to stress the truth of 1 Timothy 3.16: “Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: he appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.” The problem with this view, however, is with the start of the Incarnation. This position is known as a ‘kenotic Christology.’  The term Kenosis comes from the verb kenoō used in Phil. 2:6-7, “Who being in the form of God … emptied (ekenōsen) himself, taking the form of a servant…” The mistaken idea here is that in order for the eternal Son to become human he had to cease being the eternal Son. In effect it argues that the Son became another person in the Incarnation.

The implications of such a theology are as equally atrocious as the view above, namely that had Christ divested himself of his divinity he would have no continuing identity with God and would have been a mere human. The eternal Son of God did leave his position in glory, but he did not cease to be very God of very God (Phil 2.6). Any orthodox view of the kenosis must account for the New Testament witness that Jesus continued to be equal with the Father (“was God” John 1.1), with all the divine attributes that make up that essence (Col 1.19). In the final analysis this view fails to account for Jesus’ continued identity as the eternal Son of God. The practical result of this way of thinking is that the Church and its members consider themselves as some form of extension of the Incarnation, so that we, for all intents and purposes, take Christ’s place. This is, I believe, implicit in all forms of so-called ‘Incarnational ministry,’ as if we could replace Christ’s incarnation with our own physical presence and ministry!

Option 3: Father, Jesus Christ = Son, and Spirit are in heaven.

The third option open to us acknowledges the errors of the first two positions, so in this it is on the right track. It is, however, unclear as to who is in heaven when we are thinking of the second person of the Trinity – is it Jesus Christ the man or the eternal Son? Aren’t they the same person, you ask? And yes, of course they are the same person – that is the central truth of the Incarnation, that “the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1.14). But being the same person is different from the state that one exists in. The eternal Son does not have a body; like the Father and the Spirit he is pure spirit and thus immaterial. Jesus Christ, however, is a man, and as such he is localised in one place at one time, and has a human mind, will, and emotions. Thus to equate Jesus Christ and the eternal Son in the way this option does is to fail to adequately distinguish between the Son as God and Jesus as God the Son incarnate.

The practical implications of this position tend towards either reducing and confining the eternal Son to merely a man and going back to option two, or, more commonly today, ignoring the human Jesus in sake of the eternal Son, thus taking us back to option one. In this variation of this position, though, Jesus Christ is still appealed to but in a way that thinks of him as other than human, that is, radically unlike us.[3] Attributed to Jesus are all the functions of the Son so that Jesus the man is thought to be present everywhere, for instance. This has its most devastating effect when it comes to how we understand ministry and mission. If Jesus the man is thought to be everywhere then we might be affirming his resurrection but deny his ascension to heaven, “You have heard that I said to you, ‘I go away and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I” (John 14.28).

As a result of an inherent and ingrained ADD – ‘Attention Deficit Disorder’[4] – many fail to recognise in ministry and mission that Christ is absent in one sense and yet present in another and our calling is to witness to both God’s absence and his presence. Think here of the Eucharistic words of Christ, “Do this in remembrance of me until I come again” (Luke 22.19, 1 Cor 11.24). We are told to “remember” Christ because he is no longer with us. He has risen and he has ascended and he currently reigns from the throne in the heavens. But this must be linked with the teaching of John 14 where we are told that Jesus will not leave us orphans in the world but will send the Holy Spirit to comfort, guide, convict, empower, and lead us in the absence of Christ’s physical presence but his spiritually empowering presence.

Option 4: Father, Son, Jesus Christ, and Spirit are in heaven.

This of course leaves us with one final option which is biblical and orthodox, despite the fact that it will no doubt surprise many to know that it is the orthodox position. Keeping the central affirmation that God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the eternal and almighty God, we then have to summarise, briefly, what needs to be retained and affirmed about the incarnate Son Jesus Christ, and about the eternal Son or Word. Of the eternal Son we affirm that he is God almighty, equal with the Father and the Spirit, that he is the creator and sustainer of the universe, that he is spirit, and that he is in an indissoluble bond of love and being with the Father and the Spirit both in eternity past, in the present, and into eternity future. Of Jesus Christ we affirm that the second person of the Trinity, the eternal Son, took on human flesh in becoming man, without ceasing to be God, and lived a sinless life, died a sinners death for us, was bodily resurrected, and then ascended to the right hand of the throne of the Father in heaven, where he sent the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, currently reigns, and from where he will return at his second coming.

This is a direct affirmation that the eternal Son exists beyond the finite limits of mortal flesh. Thus the Son in his complete transcendence became man, and remains transcendently the Son of God, while also man in the form of a servant. In the words of one theologian: “He became man without ceasing to be God, and so entered space and time without leaving the throne of God.”[5] This is why we can say that Jesus is the Lord over all creation, and ascribe to him all the attributes and prerogatives of deity – for he continues to personally exist as the eternal Son at the same time as he exists as a man. I guess to use an analogy (always a dangerous thing to do), we could say that the a glass full of water from the Pacific Ocean is 100% Pacific Ocean water, but not 100% of the Pacific Ocean, so the bodily Jesus Christ is 100% the person of the Son of God and yet not 100% of the Son is Jesus Christ. Now I did say analogies are dangerous so don’t press this one too far in either direction, just take it as an indication of a way to partly conceive of this reality.

And Practically That Means What?

The practical implications of this theology are rich and edifying. We worship more than a man. We worship the God-man Jesus Christ who is the “image of the invisible God, the preeminent one over all creation” (Col 1.15). We worship the God-man Jesus the Christ who is constantly at work for us and on our behalf in intercession, benediction and communion. As our High Priest Christ intercedes for us. He does not do so before a reluctant Father! That is nonsense not to mention horrific. Neither is his intercession like ours – it is not a helpless pleading. The ascended Christ’s intercession is not like that. It is more to be compared with the high priest in the OT, who entered the holy of holies once a year after sacrificing the sin offering. In his representative capacity he was, so to speak, bringing the twelve tribes with him into the sanctuary of God.

In a similar way, Christ, having passed through the heavens, brings us his people with him into the presence of God, the right hand of the Father, and he does this since he himself not merely represents man but is man himself. In his incarnation he, the Son of God, permanently united to himself our nature, our flesh and blood, and so carries it before the Father on a permanent, everlasting basis. The ascended Christ’s continuing intercession is his constant presence with the Father as man. That is, we are never left without an advocate in heaven!

Secondly, as High Priest Christ offers the benediction over us. A benediction is not merely a prayer. While intercessory prayer is the expression of a desire that this or that happen, if it be God’s will, a benediction is a declaration of a state of affairs that actually exists and a bestowing of the reality of that state of affairs on those to whom it belongs. There is none of the hesitation or uncertainty that there is with our own intercessions. In the case of the ascended Christ, this uncertainty is entirely absent. Christ’s priestly benediction grants to his people all that they need for salvation both in this life and in what follows, in it he guards, protects, and nourishes his church, governs the world and brings his sovereign judgments to bear on its inhabitants, as depicted in the book of Revelation.

Finally, as our High Priest Christ perfects our union and communion with God. From Jesus’ speech in John 6.47-58, and from the fact of communion with Christ in the Lord’s Supper – evident elsewhere in the NT than this one passage – it follows that the ascension and the Eucharist are closely linked. John Calvin saw this clearly. Jesus is absent from us. Yet we feed on his body and drink his blood. How? Through the Holy Spirit (John 6.63) who lifts us up to heaven. Similarly, the author of Hebrews writes that we are no longer tied to the covenant made at Mount Sinai but we have come now to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to an innumerable company of angels, and to Jesus (Heb 12.18-24). The bodily ascension of Jesus is the basis for our communion with him, through the Holy Spirit, who unites things separated by distance. The Eucharist is for the church until Christ’s return.

So what does this mean for us today? Lots! I just want to note several implications of this wondrous theology.  It speaks to hardship, suffering, and a world of terror. The book of Revelation addresses such a world, and unmasks the powers that claim the allegiance of its contemporaries. The book comes from the ascended Jesus to seven weak and beleaguered churches in Asia Minor, under threat from the rampant emperor worship of the Roman Empire. It portrays the horrific forces behind the scenes but demonstrates that Christ is sovereign over all, for he is the ‘ruler of kings on earth’ (Rev 1.5).

It speaks to death. Here Christ’s ascension points us to the sure and certain hope of the resurrection to life eternal. It points to everyday living. Paul, in Colossians 3.1-4 directs us to set our minds where the ascended Christ is seated at the right hand of God, for that is where our life is located. The ascended Christ is to be the centre of our thought and the prime director of our motivations. In the NT this new focus is displayed: far from leading to heavenly mindedness that was of no earthly use, it unleashed a flood of practical action and an extension of ministries beyond what anyone had contemplated.

It speaks to the way we treat people. Today, the corporate world treats its employees as disposable commodities. Behaviourist principles govern the way it treats people; given certain stimuli they will respond in this particular way. The ascension highlights the point that human beings are not to be equated with programmable animals. Those in Christ have ascended in him to the right hand of God. As Paul says, our life is hid with Christ in God (Col. 3:1-4).

It speaks to academic disciplines and the task of subduing the earth to the glory of God. Here the two pairs of contrasts above come into play. From the standpoint of the ascension we have the task of bringing to bear the effects of the redemptive work of Christ in a world that is subject to death because of sin; we also have the privilege of participating in the ascended Christ’s renewal of creation.

Finally, it speaks to salvation. It is right here, at this point, that we reach the goal of the Incarnation – for we are right beside Jesus, gathered up in him and included in his own self-presentation before the Father. The emphasis falls on the step-by-step recovery of the creation and creature through the obedience of Jesus, so that salvation is understood to mean that humanity is gradually redeemed and perfected through his life-acts.

To finish I simply quote the benediction from 2 Corinthians 13.14: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God the Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.”


[1]        See the video on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

[2]        This is not to deny the fact that the triune God is also omnipresent. It is also not to enquire as to the location of heaven.

[3]        The resurrection of Christ means there is both a continuity and a discontinuity between Jesus and other humans, but the discontinuity does not mean that Jesus is no longer human! This is the whole point of the bodily resurrection after all. See 1 Corinthians 15.

[4]        This phrase comes from one of the cartoons produced by Inherit the Mirth, www.inheritthemirth.com.

[5]        Thomas F. Torrance, Atonement: The Person and Work of Christ (Downers Grove: IVP, 2009), 284.

16 thoughts on “Who’s In Heaven?

  1. Thanks for posting this, Bobby. Where can I find the publication in which this originally appeared?

    Option 4 looks like “the Son” and “Jesus Christ” are being comma-delineated as two separate subjects, which clearly isn’t Myk’s intent here. This is a bad formula, since it implies a distinction of Christ not on the level of two states (which is what Myk seems to have in mind in the explanation) but on the level of his divinity and humanity. “The Son” and “Jesus Christ” are not one and the same subject. The result is that too-common use of “Jesus Christ” as a referent for the human man from Nazareth, and the concommitant implication that his humanity is elevated to be a fourth member of the Trinity.

    Options 1 and 2 are perfectly valid and orthodox, as Myk admits, though they can lead to problems insofar as the other (the divine Son on the one hand, or his humanity on the other) is overlooked.

    Only the formula of Option 3, it seems to me, preserves the unity of Christ’s person in the incarnation. The equals sign specifies that we’re still speaking of a single subject (even if his existence in time as a human subject prompts classical Christology to delineate that subject according to the status duplex and the extra Calvinisticum). Jesus Christ is God the Son, irreducibly and without qualification, even if he is not the Logos simplicter.

  2. Darren,

    It’s in “The Baptist,” I believe a journal or magazine published in New Zealand. Let me get more info on that for you from Myk.

    I agree with you on Option #3; we definitely see the extra Calvinisticum being appealed to, and within the framework still of a more classically construed doctrine of God (I say ‘classically’ juxtaposed with a Barthian construction for example).

    This is a thought provoking article; I am glad Myk shared it with us here at the blog, and I’m glad you appreciated it too, Darren. Thanks for the feedback!

  3. Thanks, Myk! Very interesting piece. (The site isn’t working right now, but I’ll try again later if needed.)

  4. Hi Darren, thanks for your reply to the post, I am interested in how people reply to this argument. I couldn’t find a symbol (or don’t know the mathematical symbol) for exact identity other than = in option 3, as I was trying to show there that Jesus and the Logos are considered to be identicle, not in the sense of person (they are the same person) but in the sense of their existence or state or mode if you like. So option 3 contravenes the extra calvinisticum as it has to subscribe to some form of ubiquity for Christ’s human nature, and thus it does some dodgy things with the communio idiomatum. Blessings,

  5. I thought the extra calvinisticum was a mjsunderstanding of what Calvin along with some of the early fathers were actually saying, because the Lutherans were dealing with a container notion of space?

  6. Hi Cody, no the extra is an accurate depiction of Calvin and the Reformed more generally as opposed to the Lutheran, of Chalcedonian christology. It is allied to the distinctly Reformed communio idiomatum.

  7. but wasn’t the ‘extra’ a term given by the Lutherans because they thought that if the Logos was a man, then the full Person must therefor be contained, yet Calvin would say He was both in and outside of Creation, therefor they would say ‘what is this extra that is outside?’

  8. Yes that is right. The extra started off in relation to the sacramental debates and the Luthernas used it as a derogatory phrase, you are right. But it has since been shown that an alternate name for the extra could be the extra catholicum, given its almost universal adherence across the tradition, outside of Reformation era Lutherans.

  9. Heb 12:22-24 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel…

    The “Father, Son, Jesus Christ and the Spirit” formulation is not a good one to me. I have never heard that in any liturgical doxology, lex orandi, lex credendi. When we say “Glory to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” surely we aren’t excluding the human nature of Christ. The Logos is in two natures, in time/outside of time and in space/outside of space, amen, but there is no need to dissect His natures into two like that and deal with the omnipresent Logos and the time/space bound Jesus Christ. This formulation could be mistaken as a “personalization” of each nature. Combined with the mistaken notion that the person of Jesus Christ is a result of the union of the natures one could make the Hypostasis of the Logos and true Son be outside of the “Christ” convergence.

    The human nature is deified and the Scriptures say this about Christ:

    2 Cor. 5:16 Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.

    Eph 4:10 He who descended is the One Who also ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

    Now as an omnipresent spirit the Son already filled all things so this must be referring to the Incarnate Logos. I won’t even try to completely understand what it means but I take to mean that He ascended to where His humanity is in the immediate proximity of all things. In heaven His humanity supercedes the time/space continuum so His humanity bridges infinite spaces immediately. Angels can travel at thought-speed and He has taken His humanity infinitely higher than angelic nature.

    It is also written: Act 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

    The ascended Incarnate Logos poured out the Spirit like anointing oil on Pentecost (He also breathed it out on the Apostles prior to that)…normal humanity doesn’t do this. The humanity of the Incarnate Logos raised to the throne of Heaven does.

    Carry this too far and you will have to say that He has to do all His “all-powerful, almighty-God stuff” outside of His humanity. No, I don’t think Dr. Habets would say this, I just don’t like the formulation.

  10. Thanks Maximus (?!), some good points there. I won’t go through them point for point but note that the language of theologial precision is not the language of liturgy (not that the liturgy should be imprecise theologically). So that is a dead end. I am trying to tease out the necessary implications of the incarnation and the doctrine of God and then trying to suggest ways we may apprehend the Scriptures, some of which you nicely cite, and also work out how to honour the triune God in our speech and prayer. Your position is logically Lutheran – that Christ’s humanity is now ubiquitous – and that is something I cannot find in Scripture, although I agree with you, there is much mystery in all of this! 🙂 Blessings,

  11. Dr Habets,

    In my Eastern Orthodox tradition we learn theology by liturgy. Some of our greatest theologians were hymnographers. The Orthodox vanquished the Arians and Nestorians (and many other heretics) by demonstrating plainly that their doctrines didn’t coincide with the liturgy. For instance, Why were Arians glorifying and baptizing into two creatures with the Father? St. Cyril told Nestorius that the flesh of “some man” in conjunction with the Logos is not a life-giving Eucharist. Likewise, the Eutychians were told that they couldn’t chew on “a human nature overwhelmed by divinity” in the Eucharist.

    I don’t think the humanity of Christ is everywhere. I don’t confuse the natures and make divine nature suffer or make human nature uncreated. I think it is in Heaven because obviously He ascended and I await His bodily return. I think “everywhere” is proximal to Him, as our time is transfigured in eternity so is space necessarily. As you know His spiritual flesh also walks through doors, shines with divine light, appears differently to people who knew him well, disappears at will, ascends into heaven, breathes/pours out the Spirit, etc. Depending on the translation one prefers He is “slain from the foundation of the world” and He stands in heaven as a Lamb slain even now although He died “once and for all”. Even Satan “overlaps” space/time: Luk 4:5 And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. One could even say that Jesus Christ is immutable: Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    When it says that He ascended to fill all things is that referring to the Incarnate Logos or the immaterial Deity in your reading of that Scripture? Chrysostom says this: “When you hear these words, think not of a mere removal from one place to another…He descended, says he, into the lower parts of the earth, beyond which there are none other: and He ascended up far above all things, to that place, beyond which there is none other. This is to show His divine energy, and supreme dominion. For indeed even of old had all things been filled.”

    Thank you for your kind response.

  12. Hi Maximus, nice post! I know you learn theology by liturgy and that has a very certain beauty about it. However, I also know that not all that goes by the term ‘theology’ is accomplished within liturguical contexts. Ie the works of Ware, Lossky, Zizioulas, etc are not liturgical as such but go well beyond liturgy into detailed and philosophical reasoning. That is all I am saying and doing in this post.

    I am pleased you don’t think the humanity of Christ is everywhere – thus I must retract my charge of Lutheranism.

    It seems to me that what you are doing – and it is fair enough, I just don’t totally buy it – is not changing Christ’s humanity but changing everything else – ie time/space to fit. Now that is OK to do, but I don’t feel the need to do it as the Logos who is equally God always and at all times, does that work for me.

    Nice chatting – blessings.

  13. Likewise, Dr Habets.

    The only point I would like you to buy is that “everthying else” is actually changed in the ascended Incarnate Logos. Gregory Nazianzen: “A few drops of Blood recreate the whole world…”

    We don’t confine Him to our time because He has entered eternity. My point is that we can’t confine Him in space as we experience it now either. Omnipresent flesh is the farthest thing from my mind.

    Thanks again for the interaction.

  14. Dr Habets,

    If I may share some quotes from my namesake to demonstrate what I’m trying to say. These quotes actually pertain to theosis but as you know that process primarily pertains to the “firstfruits” (which is the human nature of the Logos by way of the hypostatic union, life, death, resurrection and ascension) and then to believers by grace:

    St. Maximus the Confessor ca. 580-662

    Age, time, and place belong in the category of the relative. Without them nothing of what is included in them exists. God is not of the category of the relative because He does not have anything at all included in Him. If, then, the inheritance of those who are worthy is God Himself, the one who is rendered worthy of this grace will be above age, time, and place. He will have God Himself as a place, according to what is written, “Be for me a protecting God, a strong place which saves me.” (Ps. 71:3) (Chapters on Knowledge, First Century 68)

    [W]hen what is partial ceases with the appearance of what is perfect, all mirrors and hidden meanings pass away; once the truth arrives face to face, the one who is saved will be above all worlds, ages, and places in which he was once nurtured as a child, and will reach his end in God. (ibid., First Century 70)

    St. Maximus sees the entire cosmos/time-space continuum like a womb which nutures man until he reaches the maturity of the God-Man. Thanks again Dr Habets, for even taking the time to dialogue with me!

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